What if sustainability started with changing how we think and act? In this episode, host Emma Cox welcomes Daniel Lawse, Chief Century Thinker at Verdis Group, to discuss how long-term thinking and living systems frameworks can transform sustainability strategies. Daniel explains how viewing nature as an interconnected system—not just a resource—can inspire adaptive, regenerative, and resilient solutions.

Together, they explore the power of behavior change rooted in shifting worldviews and aligning actions with personal and organizational values. Daniel shares practical tactics for driving behavior change, including community-based social marketing and effective communication strategies. He emphasizes the importance of understanding motivations and removing barriers to sustainable actions. 

Curious about how rethinking relationships and human behavior with nature can accelerate climate solutions? Tune in to find out!

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Enjoy this insightful conversation!

Episode Resources: 

Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer: https://www.amazon.com/Braiding-Sweetgrass-Indigenous-Scientific-Knowledge/dp/1571313567 

Jevons Paradox: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/energy-research/articles/10.3389/fenrg.2018.00026/full 

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About ESG Decoded 

ESG Decoded is a podcast powered by ClimeCo to share updates related to business innovation and sustainability in a clear and actionable manner. 

Join Emma Cox, Erika Schiller, and Anna Stablum for thoughtful, nuanced conversations with industry leaders and subject matter experts that explore the complexities about the risks and opportunities connected to (E)nvironmental, (S)ocial and (G)overnance. 

We like to say that “ESG is everything that’s not on your balance sheet.” This leaves room for misunderstanding and oversimplification – two things that we’ll bust on this podcast.

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